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Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.02.12 22:14:00 - [1] I've been using SMC Fan Control... seems to be doing a good job.. don't see the CPU peeking over 70C. Tempted to kick up the fans an another 1000 RPM's to see if that helps. Idling for the most part puts it at 30 to 40C. And that's a Macbook Pro 15" late 2008. =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.03.14 20:01:00 - [2] Ok smartypants Mac Users... Late 2008 MBP... What would you choose for a cooling pad. I'd like to keep my graphics settings maxed out. I want to see my core temps stay around the low to mid 50's... without using dryice : O P =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.03.18 23:22:00 - [3] Originally by: Tir Arsil Edited by: Tir Arsil on 17/03/2009 17:00:44 The new MBPs aren't designed to run at 50 C at full load -- or even 60 or 70. Oh noes they get hot. Really hot. You have AppleCare, right? <---- ACSP/ACTC/ACMT (Apple Certified Support Professional 10.5/Technical Coordinator 10.5 SERVER/Maintenance Technician(very soon) The MT part means I AM Apple care... Ok maybe not directly... but it means I'm certified to do Apple Care Maitencnce. While Apple has not published any specific maximum limits in there service manuals... or I've not done the research yet the rule of thumb is simple this... and this is authoritative... so don't listen to anyone else. No seriously... don't. Anything above 75C is dangerous.... Thats as simple as that. Keep in mind it's not so much the CPU Core temp at that temp... its more of what it effects around it... cooling down...heating up rappidly... etc..etc... Prolonged temp exposure causes radiation effects to spread to other areas... MBP are made of aluimium which makes it strong and light... but they hold heat like a #####. My problem is the cooling pad pushing/pulling air under the MBP is accomplishing nothing. It's the heat being retained in the metal base that needs to be absorbed away from the MBP. 50C is safe.... but anything near or above 75 makes me a wee bit skiddish. Do a conversion to F and you'll see why real quick. Now there's no need to panic... I said its dangerous... not fatal. There's a big difference... Dangerous in my terms is you'll probably be ok... just don't expect it to live very long. Fatal is obvious... can you say shiny pile of metal goo? Heat/Friction is bad for CPU's.... or GPU's.. or any electrical components. The cooler you can run them... consistently... the better off they are. I got a guy with a master's degree in Physics backing me on this one and too many years of insanity over Electrical Engineering and product safety.... I think its safe to assume he's right about this one. No he doesn't play EVE Online. Wish he did! : O P =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.04.24 06:11:00 - [4] Originally by: Nickel Deuce Originally by: Drake Draconis <---- ACSP/ACTC/ACMT ...stuff... So is there anyway to run both cores at 100% utilization and stay within tolerances? Something doesn't add up here. I have a 15" unibody MBP and with two clients running, usually hovers at 75-80˚C with the fan at >6000rpm. Are you meaning to tell me they don't engineer their products to withstand max utilization? Well.. glad i have applecare.. A: EVE runs in a windows virtualization/translation environment... its going to futz with CPU load... the trick is memory load and gpu load really. B: Run the fans full out C: I suggest a Thermal Pad (Absorption kind) I don't see temps going any higher than 70 unless I forget to check the pad as when they hit equilibrium they don't pull heat away efficiently enough. D: Apple did not engineer them properly to cool efficiently and it's a pet peeve of mine. They also had this issue with previous models. In all honesty just keep them cool as possible and do not let them hover above 70 degrees C for prolonged periods of time. Ignore anyone who says otherwise... this is someone who has done a great deal of research on apple hardware and I got a father for a physicist/electrical engineer (retired/disabled)... who loves to tinker with computers and other fun things. PS: sorry for the slow response ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.04.24 06:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Ami Nia Originally by: Nickel Deuce Originally by: Drake Draconis <---- ACSP/ACTC/ACMT ...stuff... So is there anyway to run both cores at 100% utilization and stay within tolerances? Something doesn't add up here. I have a 15" unibody MBP and with two clients running, usually hovers at 75-80˚C with the fan at >6000rpm. Are you meaning to tell me they don't engineer their products to withstand max utilization? Well.. glad i have applecare.. Do your own research. If you want my opinion, portables are not designed to stay cool on load. Intel CPU specs for desktop CPUs are around 85¦C diode. Intel CPU specs for portable CPUs are around 100¦C core. GPU specs are around 100¦C diode. Your opinion is noted and rejected while laughing. That's like saying you can drive a car constantly at 100 MPH and expect nothing to go wrong after 12 to 24 hours of use as far as tires and brakes and everything else. If you want to be that stupid and reckless then by my guest. Don't expect apple care to cover it either... you can bet on that... and that is an authoritative answer. They have a very strong clause for "Accidental Damage" and they aren't stupid either. If you intentionally let your CPU/GPU's run that hot you are shooting yourself in the head. Stay no higher than 70C, 75C at most... if you go any higher... you are utterly on your own. You can choose to ignore me at your own risk. The biggest problem is the cooling intank and exhaust are all in the same area. Which is stupid. This is why I'm not zealous over apple. I've got the service manuals to prove it.. and no you can't have them.. Apple won't let me : O P You need to make sure there is a fair bit of space behind your MBP.... and make sure its not sitting on something that retains heat.... as radiation (as in thermal radiation) will make life hard on your computer. Not so much core temp. I'm using a Thermaltake Heat Absorption Pad that pulls the heat quite nicely keeping my temps around 60 to 65 depending on what I'm doing. Every coupe of hours I have to rotate it 180 to keep the "stuff" inside the pad working.... as it won't work so well once the absorption hits equilibrium it needs to cool down itself. But its certainly better than letting it sit on a surface or a cooling fan pad which is useless as theres no ammount of air to move other than a slab of aluminum. You guys can debate it all you want.... fact remains... keep it cool and keep it safe. One of the symptoms of pushing it too hard... Graphical anomalies show up when you read text out of game. Still tracing it.... suspect its driver related and not temp. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.04.25 05:24:00 - [6] I suggest you take a step back and think about what your talking about before you start spitting your so called self proclaimed expertise on the so called subject. 1: They ARE NOT designed to run that hot... get it through your thick skull. NO computer is designed to take that kind of abuse... and If you insist on pushing that crap then expect me to slap you in the face each and every bloody time. Hell I fix this stuff... what do you do? play games 24/7 and encourage people to take risks? Sounds like marketing to me! You start quoting wikipedia on me and I'm going to laugh. 2: I am NOT an apple fanboi/zealot/wacko other than a geek who happens to like computers to work when he gets home from fixing ##### windows systems that crash all the time. I have been the victim of a few apple failures and I happen to know quite a few stupid things about apples product that are bugs/glitches and other areas... but they are nothing critical... except a select few. Allow me to drive the point home for your thick skull shall we? Take the Macbook Pro 15" Aluminum 1: The Exhaust Ports and Intake Ports are on the rear in the same location. That's stupid. That means its re-breathing the same air... ridiculous. 2: Aluminum is a great metal... light... durable. It also sucks heat like a sponge... and will not disapate that heat without appropriate measures. So while your bible proclaims your so called facts... keep in mind that heat has to go somewhere.. and it will not stay in one place... it will radiate... physics 101. 3: You read my post and took it line for line and obviously didn't read it in full which means you misunderstood and now your eating your foot with your 2nd post which tells me one thing... you have no bloody idea what your talking about and your just regurtating the information you read on the net. I work for an Apple Reseller.. I took the classes and I had to study my ass off for the materail just to be allowed to service the macs under warranty. Now I don't give a bloody rip what you think because this is just a sandbox fight saying your wrong I'm right and your stupid and I'm smart and so forth. I will however tell everyone here that you should take CCP's warning literally and clearly. It is YOUR repsoncibility to take care of your equipment... you should NOT let your computer run that hot. If you do you will likely lose it and if you turn it in to Apple as a defect even if its obviously designed to not take that kind of abuse whether it be a stupid marketing ploy or not... they will not cover it. So if you want to bet your 3000 dollar laptop on running full temp... be my guest. I however will be a good steward of my equipment.. I plan to have this baby for 5 years... not 2... not 1. I have sold a number of these guys and customers are not the typical geek mindset and they let them run hot and everything else and its very obvious.. Apple frakked up... bad. Be shocked... gasp away... yes... Apple screwed up. They screwed up with the last series too... The G5 Series ran very hot too! They are spending a lot of time on looking good and making fun bells and whistles and they are losing ground on the engineering side of the coin. But its fixable... you can tweak it and you can help it along and get by just fine. By the way Miss smarty pants... while you say you can run them hot.... did it occur to you that you have other items on the motherboard who CANT take that heat? what happens if you blow a capacitor or some other electronic component? How about the north bridge chip or the south bridge chips that are near by? Hard drive? tight spaces don't allow for much room for heat to dissipate. This isn't a frakking tower... so grow a bloody brain and stop spreading lies. Stop assuming Apple is perfect and makes Macbooks to run EVE Online at full tilt with the fans at 1000 RPM's You'll live longer. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.06 14:34:00 - [7] It's quite possible that your a total idiot and love to take risks. The choice is yours... you want to push it that hard... be my guest. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.06.03 14:45:00 - [8] Originally by: Zedic Lordy,, I'm getting ready to invest around $2600 USD for the 17' Macbook Pro. Can I play Eve on it? I don't understand all of this technical stuff everyone is yelling at each other, and because I travel for work, a desktop is not an option for me. Currently, I use a Gateway FX6860 and it's a pain in my ass. I want a pressciouss er,, I mean a Macbook Pro. A: Yes you can. B: Don't waste your money on a 17".... your better off maxing out a 15" to give you the ability to change out the batt at a later date... unless your really hard up for that bigger screen. The point of this discussion is you don't screw around when it comes to heat.... you take the precautions and you take care of your equipment.... thats the bottom line. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.06.10 23:36:00 - [9] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 10/06/2009 23:41:08 Originally by: Zedic Originally by: Drake Draconis Originally by: Zedic Lordy,, I'm getting ready to invest around $2600 USD for the 17' Macbook Pro. Can I play Eve on it? I don't understand all of this technical stuff everyone is yelling at each other, and because I travel for work, a desktop is not an option for me. Currently, I use a Gateway FX6860 and it's a pain in my ass. I want a pressciouss er,, I mean a Macbook Pro. A: Yes you can. B: Don't waste your money on a 17".... your better off maxing out a 15" to give you the ability to change out the batt at a later date... unless your really hard up for that bigger screen. The point of this discussion is you don't screw around when it comes to heat.... you take the precautions and you take care of your equipment.... thats the bottom line. Thanks for the advice Drake. You know, I think I would be happy with the 15". I've been looking at them in person and for a 15" screen they certainly look big, it seems like you get more screen real estate than with a PC, or maybe it's just because I am in love. :D Is there a heat pad you can suggest? Preferably one that's very portable. I work as a flight attendant, so I am constantly traveling, and when I'm not flying I'm playing Eve. Or eating... Or sleeping... etc! :) Freaky Spaceage Stuff I have a white version of that pad... It's got some funny funny salt in it that absorbs the heat turning it into a gel over time. It really does work... you put your hand on it at room temp and its unusually colder than you'd expect it to be. The only downside is once it hits equilibrium (the stage where you can't pull anymore heat) you need to rotate the sucker 180 to keep your Macbook cooler. Ive been running SMC Fan Controls on mine at 6200 RPM's on both fans... and I do NOT have the extra GPU engaged. I do just fine.. I'm willing to take a hit on the FPS if it means a better lifespan for my macbook. If the temp hits 65 to 70 range on that pad... time to flip the pad. Turn brightness down to 50% and turn the keyboard backlight OFF. You'd be surprised how much heat that takes off the overall unit. My temp hovers around 55 to 62C when I'm doing all sorts of stuff. I'm sure if i got pulled into Jita it would be a bit interesting. With Extra GPU engaged... you'll gain an instant 10C increase in heat... and lose 2-3 hours of Batt life if on batt. SMC Fan Controls will allow you to build profiles so you don't need to sound like a hovercraft every time you get your MBP out. Put some headphones on and say screw it to the noise..and pew pew away! PS: I rarely ever have to flip the pad... so-to-speak... and when i say flip... I mean spin it around so the back is the front... as the heat builds up on the back end of your MBP. PS2: Macbook Pro's have been redone/remade... so I'm not sure if they fixed the damned SMC chip on them or not.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.06.13 14:40:00 - [10] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 13/06/2009 14:41:15 Originally by: Tiska Drak Originally by: Drake Draconis You'd be surprised how much heat that takes off the overall unit. My temp hovers around 55 to 62C when I'm doing all sorts of stuff. I'm sure if i got pulled into Jita it would be a bit interesting. What are you getting for temps when running EVE? I'm about to pull the trigger on a new MBP and am wondering how much the heat situation will change from my early-2008 MBP. I just told you... between 55 and 62C. If I hit 70C... it's when its time to flip the pad... then it goes back down. Keep in mind I'm use the larger of the 2 MBP's with 512 Ram on the GPU and I do NOT have the extra GPU engaged.

Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.06.14 04:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Tiska Drak Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 13/06/2009 14:41:15 I just told you... between 55 and 62C. Yeah but where are you getting the 55-62C range? 55-62C on the GPU is good, 55-62 on the bottom case is bad :) sorry... the temp I'm referring too is CPU Core temp. The other sensors I've not checked... and honestly the thermal sensors for the bottom case are in the wrong spot. :) ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!

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